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From: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
To: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>,
	"Stanislav Fomichev" <sdf@google.com>
Cc: ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net, andrii@kernel.org,
	song@kernel.org, yhs@fb.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com,
	kpsingh@kernel.org, haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
	Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>,
	Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@redhat.com>,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [RFC bpf-next v2 06/14] xdp: Carry over xdp metadata into skb context
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 16:45:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d403ef7d-6dfd-bcaf-6088-cff5081f49e9@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eduaxsep.fsf@toke.dk>

On 11/10/22 4:10 PM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>> The problem with AF_XDP is that, IIUC, it doesn't have a data_meta
>> pointer in the userspace.
>>
>> You get an rx descriptor where the address points to the 'data':
>> | 256 bytes headroom where metadata can go | data |
> 
> Ah, I was missing the bit where the data pointer actually points at
> data, not the start of the buf. Oops, my bad!
> 
>> So you have (at most) 256 bytes of headroom, some of that might be the
>> metadata, but you really don't know where it starts. But you know it
>> definitely ends where the data begins.
>>
>> So if we have the following, we can locate skb_metadata:
>> | 256-sizeof(skb_metadata) headroom | custom metadata | skb_metadata | data |
>> data - sizeof(skb_metadata) will get you there
>>
>> But if it's the other way around, the program has to know
>> sizeof(custom metadata) to locate skb_metadata:
>> | 256-sizeof(skb_metadata) headroom | skb_metadata | custom metadata | data |
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
> 
> Hmm, so one could argue that the only way AF_XDP can consume custom
> metadata today is if it knows out of band what the size of it is. And if
> it knows that, it can just skip over it to go back to the skb_metadata,
> no?

+1 I replied with a similar point in another email.  I also think we can safely 
assume this.

> 
> The only problem left then is if there were multiple XDP programs called
> in sequence (whether before a redirect, or by libxdp chaining or tail
> calls), and the first one resized the metadata area without the last one
> knowing about it. For this, we could add a CLOBBER_PROGRAM_META flag to
> the skb_metadata helper which if set will ensure that the program
> metadata length is reset to 0?

How is it different from the same xdp prog calling bpf_xdp_adjust_meta() and 
bpf_xdp_metadata_export_to_skb() multiple times.  The earlier stored 
skb_metadata needs to be moved during the latter bpf_xdp_adjust_meta().  The 
latter bpf_xdp_metadata_export_to_skb() will overwrite the earlier skb_metadata.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-11  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-04  3:25 [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 00/14] xdp: hints via kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 01/14] bpf: Introduce bpf_patch Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 02/14] bpf: Support inlined/unrolled kfuncs for xdp metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 03/14] veth: Introduce veth_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 04/14] veth: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-09 11:21   ` [xdp-hints] " Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-09 21:34     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10  0:25   ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10  1:02     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10  1:35       ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10  6:44         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10 17:39           ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10 18:52             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-11 10:41             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 05/14] selftests/bpf: Verify xdp_metadata xdp->af_xdp path Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 06/14] xdp: Carry over xdp metadata into skb context Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-07 22:01   ` [xdp-hints] " Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-08 21:54     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-09  3:07       ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-09  4:19         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-09 11:10           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-09 18:22             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-09 21:33               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10  0:13                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-10  1:02                   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10 14:26                     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10 18:52                       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10 23:14                         ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10 23:52                           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-11  0:10                             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-11  0:45                               ` Martin KaFai Lau [this message]
2022-11-11  9:37                                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-11  0:33                             ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-11  0:57                               ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-11  1:26                                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-11  9:41                                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10 23:58                         ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-11  0:20                           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10 14:19               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10 19:04                 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-10 23:29                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-11  1:39                     ` Martin KaFai Lau
2022-11-11  9:44                       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10  1:26             ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10 14:32               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10 17:30                 ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10 22:49                   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-10  1:09   ` John Fastabend
2022-11-10  6:44     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-10 21:21       ` David Ahern
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 07/14] selftests/bpf: Verify xdp_metadata xdp->skb path Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 08/14] bpf: Helper to simplify calling kernel routines from unrolled kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-05  0:40   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexei Starovoitov
2022-11-05  2:18     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 09/14] ice: Introduce ice_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 10/14] ice: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04 14:35   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexander Lobakin
2022-11-04 18:21     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-07 17:11       ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-11-07 19:10         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2022-12-15 11:54   ` Larysa Zaremba
2022-12-15 14:29     ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 11/14] mlx4: Introduce mlx4_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 12/14] mxl4: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 13/14] bnxt: Introduce bnxt_xdp_buff wrapper for xdp_buff Stanislav Fomichev
2022-11-04  3:25 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v2 14/14] bnxt: Support rx timestamp metadata for xdp Stanislav Fomichev

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