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From: Larysa Zaremba <larysa.zaremba@intel.com>
To: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
Cc: brouer@redhat.com, John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	andrii@kernel.org, martin.lau@linux.dev, song@kernel.org,
	yhs@fb.com, kpsingh@kernel.org, sdf@google.com,
	haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Willem de Bruijn <willemb@google.com>,
	Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>,
	Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@redhat.com>,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH bpf-next v2 09/20] xdp: Add VLAN tag hint
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 16:46:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZKbTxDKCRlnJxyf0@lincoln> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e0050610-ee6f-7c3c-a303-7cddc73cff7c@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 04:18:04PM +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> 
> 
> On 04/07/2023 13.02, Larysa Zaremba wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 12:23:45PM +0200, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> > > 
> > > On 04/07/2023 10.23, Larysa Zaremba wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 01:15:34PM -0700, John Fastabend wrote:
> > > > > Larysa Zaremba wrote:
> > > > > > Implement functionality that enables drivers to expose VLAN tag
> > > > > > to XDP code.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Larysa Zaremba <larysa.zaremba@intel.com>
> > > > > > ---
> > > > > >    Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst |  8 +++++++-
> > > > > >    include/linux/netdevice.h                    |  2 ++
> > > > > >    include/net/xdp.h                            |  2 ++
> > > > > >    kernel/bpf/offload.c                         |  2 ++
> > > > > >    net/core/xdp.c                               | 20 ++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >    5 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst b/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> > > > > > index 25ce72af81c2..ea6dd79a21d3 100644
> > > > > > --- a/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> > > > > > +++ b/Documentation/networking/xdp-rx-metadata.rst
> > > > > > @@ -18,7 +18,13 @@ Currently, the following kfuncs are supported. In the future, as more
> > > > > >    metadata is supported, this set will grow:
> > > > > >    .. kernel-doc:: net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > -   :identifiers: bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_timestamp bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash
> > > > > > +   :identifiers: bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_timestamp
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +.. kernel-doc:: net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > +   :identifiers: bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash
> > > > > > +
> > > > > > +.. kernel-doc:: net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > +   :identifiers: bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_vlan_tag
> > > > > >    An XDP program can use these kfuncs to read the metadata into stack
> > > > > >    variables for its own consumption. Or, to pass the metadata on to other
> > > [...]
> > > > > > diff --git a/net/core/xdp.c b/net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > index 41e5ca8643ec..f6262c90e45f 100644
> > > > > > --- a/net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > +++ b/net/core/xdp.c
> > > > > > @@ -738,6 +738,26 @@ __bpf_kfunc int bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_hash(const struct xdp_md *ctx, u32 *hash,
> > > > > >    	return -EOPNOTSUPP;
> > > > > >    }
> > > > > > +/**
> > > > > > + * bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_vlan_tag - Get XDP packet outermost VLAN tag with protocol
> > > > > > + * @ctx: XDP context pointer.
> > > > > > + * @vlan_tag: Destination pointer for VLAN tag
> > > > > > + * @vlan_proto: Destination pointer for VLAN protocol identifier in network byte order.
> > > > > > + *
> > > > > > + * In case of success, vlan_tag contains VLAN tag, including 12 least significant bytes
> > > > > > + * containing VLAN ID, vlan_proto contains protocol identifier.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Above is a bit confusing to me at least.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The vlan tag would be both the 16bit TPID and 16bit TCI. What fields
> > > > > are to be included here? The VlanID or the full 16bit TCI meaning the
> > > > > PCP+DEI+VID?
> > > > 
> > > > It contains PCP+DEI+VID, in patch 16 ("selftests/bpf: Add flags and new hints to
> > > > xdp_hw_metadata") this is more clear, because the tag is parsed.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Do we really care about the "EtherType" proto (in VLAN speak TPID = Tag
> > > Protocol IDentifier)?
> > > I mean, it can basically only have two values[1], and we just wanted to
> > > know if it is a VLAN (that hardware offloaded/removed for us):
> > 
> > If we assume everyone follows the standard, this would be correct.
> > But apparently, some applications use some ambiguous value as a TPID [0].
> > 
> > So it is not hard to imagine, some NICs could alllow you to configure your
> > custom TPID. I am not sure if any in-tree drivers actually do this, but I think
> > it's nice to provide some flexibility on XDP level, especially considering
> > network stack stores full vlan_proto.
> > 
> 
> I'm buying your argument, and agree it makes sense to provide TPID in
> the call signature.  Given weird hardware exists that allow people to
> configure custom TPID.
> 
> Looking through kernel defines (in uapi/linux/if_ether.h) I see evidence
> that funky QinQ EtherTypes have been used in the past:
> 
>  #define ETH_P_QINQ1	0x9100		/* deprecated QinQ VLAN [ NOT AN OFFICIALLY
> REGISTERED ID ] */
>  #define ETH_P_QINQ2	0x9200		/* deprecated QinQ VLAN [ NOT AN OFFICIALLY
> REGISTERED ID ] */
>  #define ETH_P_QINQ3	0x9300		/* deprecated QinQ VLAN [ NOT AN OFFICIALLY
> REGISTERED ID ] */
> 
> 
> > [0]
> > https://techhub.hpe.com/eginfolib/networking/docs/switches/7500/5200-1938a_l2-lan_cg/content/495503472.htm
> > 
> > > 
> > >   static __always_inline int proto_is_vlan(__u16 h_proto)
> > >   {
> > > 	return !!(h_proto == bpf_htons(ETH_P_8021Q) ||
> > > 		  h_proto == bpf_htons(ETH_P_8021AD));
> > >   }
> > > 
> > > [1] https://github.com/xdp-project/bpf-examples/blob/master/include/xdp/parsing_helpers.h#L75-L79
> > > 
> > > Cc. Andrew Lunn, as I notice DSA have a fake VLAN define ETH_P_DSA_8021Q
> > > (in file include/uapi/linux/if_ether.h)
> > > Is this actually in use?
> > > Maybe some hardware can "VLAN" offload this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > What about rephrasing it this way:
> > > > 
> > > > In case of success, vlan_proto contains VLAN protocol identifier (TPID),
> > > > vlan_tag contains the remaining 16 bits of a 802.1Q tag (PCP+DEI+VID).
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Hmm, I think we can improve this further. This text becomes part of the
> > > documentation for end-users (target audience).  Thus, I think it is
> > > worth being more verbose and even mention the existing defines that we
> > > are expecting end-users to take advantage of.
> > > 
> > > What about:
> > > 
> > > In case of success. The VLAN EtherType is stored in vlan_proto (usually
> > > either ETH_P_8021Q or ETH_P_8021AD) also known as TPID (Tag Protocol
> > > IDentifier). The VLAN tag is stored in vlan_tag, which is a 16-bit field
> > > containing sub-fields (PCP+DEI+VID). The VLAN ID (VID) is 12-bits
> > > commonly extracted using mask VLAN_VID_MASK (0x0fff).  For the meaning
> > > of the sub-fields Priority Code Point (PCP) and Drop Eligible Indicator
> > > (DEI) (formerly CFI) please reference other documentation. Remember
> > > these 16-bit fields are stored in network-byte. Thus, transformation
> > > with byte-order helper functions like bpf_ntohs() are needed.
> > > 
> > 
> > AFAIK, vlan_tag is stored in host byte order, this is how it is in skb.
> 
> I'm not sure we should follow SKB storage scheme for XDP.
>

I think following SKB convention is a good idea in this particular case. As I 
have mentioned below, in ice VLAN TCI in descriptor already comes in LE, so no 
point in converting it into BE, so somebody would use bpf_ntohs() later anyway. 
We are not the only manufacturer that does this.

> > In ice, we receive VLAN tag in descriptor already in LE.
> > Only protocol is BE (network byte order). So I would replace the last 2
> > sentences with the following:
> > 
> > vlan_tag is stored in host byte order, so no byte order conversion is needed.
> 
> Yikes, that was unexpected.  This needs to be heavily documented in docs.

You mean the motivation, why it is so and not the other way around?

> 
> When parsing packets, it is in network-byte-order, else my code is wrong
> here[1]:
> 
>   [1] https://github.com/xdp-project/bpf-examples/blob/master/include/xdp/parsing_helpers.h#L122
> 
> I'm accessing the skb->vlan_tci here [2], and I notice I don't do any
> byte-order conversions, so fortunately I didn't make a code mistake.
> 
>   [2] https://github.com/xdp-project/bpf-examples/blob/master/traffic-pacing-edt/edt_pacer_vlan.c#L215
>

In raw packet, VLAN TCI is in network byte order, but skb requires NIC/driver
to convert it into host byte order before putting it into skb.
 
> > vlan_proto is stored in network byte order, the suggested way to use this value:
> > 
> > vlan_proto == bpf_htons(ETH_P_8021Q)
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> 
> --Jesper
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-06 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-03 18:12 [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 00/20] XDP metadata via kfuncs for ice Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 01/20] ice: make RX hash reading code more reusable Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 02/20] ice: make RX HW timestamp " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-04 10:04   ` [xdp-hints] " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 03/20] ice: make RX checksum checking " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 04/20] ice: Make ptype internal to descriptor info processing Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 05/20] ice: Introduce ice_xdp_buff Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 06/20] ice: Support HW timestamp hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:30   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06 14:22     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-06 16:39       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-10 15:49         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-10 18:12           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 07/20] ice: Support RX hash XDP hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 08/20] ice: Support XDP hints in AF_XDP ZC mode Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 09/20] xdp: Add VLAN tag hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 20:15   ` [xdp-hints] " John Fastabend
2023-07-04  8:23     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-04 10:23       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-04 11:02         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-04 14:18           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-06 14:46             ` Larysa Zaremba [this message]
2023-07-07 13:57               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-07 17:58                 ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 10/20] ice: Implement " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 11/20] ice: use VLAN proto from ring packet context in skb path Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 12/20] xdp: Add checksum level hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 20:38   ` [xdp-hints] " John Fastabend
2023-07-04  9:24     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-04 10:39       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-04 11:19         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-06  5:50           ` John Fastabend
2023-07-06  9:04             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-06 12:38               ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-06 12:49                 ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-10 16:58                   ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 13/20] ice: Implement " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 14/20] selftests/bpf: Allow VLAN packets in xdp_hw_metadata Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:31   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 15/20] net, xdp: allow metadata > 32 Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 21:06   ` [xdp-hints] " John Fastabend
2023-07-06 14:51     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-10 14:01       ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 16/20] selftests/bpf: Add flags and new hints to xdp_hw_metadata Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-04 11:03   ` [xdp-hints] " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-04 11:04     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 17/20] veth: Implement VLAN tag and checksum level XDP hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:25   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06  9:57     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-06 10:15       ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 18/20] selftests/bpf: Use AF_INET for TX in xdp_metadata Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:39   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06 14:11     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-06 17:25       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06 17:27       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07  8:33         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-07 16:49           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 16:58             ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 19/20] selftests/bpf: Check VLAN tag and proto " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:41   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06 10:10   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-06 10:13     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-03 18:12 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH bpf-next v2 20/20] selftests/bpf: check checksum level " Larysa Zaremba
2023-07-05 17:41   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-06 10:25   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-07-06 12:02     ` Larysa Zaremba

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