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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org, daniel@iogearbox.net,
	andrii@kernel.org, martin.lau@linux.dev, song@kernel.org,
	yhs@fb.com, john.fastabend@gmail.com, kpsingh@kernel.org,
	haoluo@google.com, jolsa@kernel.org, kuba@kernel.org,
	toke@kernel.org, willemb@google.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	magnus.karlsson@intel.com, bjorn@kernel.org,
	maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com, hawk@kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, xdp-hints@xdp-project.net
Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [RFC bpf-next v3 09/14] net/mlx5e: Implement devtx kfuncs
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:24:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKH8qBtawUTjFQ=hhTzXa2zTBwOpxurjhduxZV+eUg8rnJUJVw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230711225657.kuvkil776fajonl5@MacBook-Pro-8.local>

On Tue, Jul 11, 2023 at 3:57 PM Alexei Starovoitov
<alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 07, 2023 at 12:30:01PM -0700, Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > +
> > +static int mlx5e_devtx_request_l4_checksum(const struct devtx_ctx *_ctx,
> > +                                        u16 csum_start, u16 csum_offset)
> > +{
> > +     const struct mlx5e_devtx_ctx *ctx = (void *)_ctx;
> > +     struct mlx5_wqe_eth_seg *eseg;
> > +
> > +     if (unlikely(!ctx->wqe))
> > +             return -ENODATA;
> > +
> > +     eseg = &ctx->wqe->eth;
> > +
> > +     switch (csum_offset) {
> > +     case sizeof(struct ethhdr) + sizeof(struct iphdr) + offsetof(struct udphdr, check):
> > +     case sizeof(struct ethhdr) + sizeof(struct ipv6hdr) + offsetof(struct udphdr, check):
> > +             /* Looks like HW/FW is doing parsing, so offsets are largely ignored. */
> > +             eseg->cs_flags = MLX5_ETH_WQE_L3_CSUM | MLX5_ETH_WQE_L4_CSUM;
> > +             break;
> > +     default:
> > +             return -EINVAL;
> > +     }
>
> I think this proves my point: csum is not generalizable even across veth and mlx5.
> Above is a square peg that tries to fit csum_start/offset api (that makes sense from SW pov)
> into HW that has different ideas about csum-ing.
>
> Here is what mlx5 does:
> mlx5e_txwqe_build_eseg_csum(struct mlx5e_txqsq *sq, struct sk_buff *skb,
>                             struct mlx5e_accel_tx_state *accel,
>                             struct mlx5_wqe_eth_seg *eseg)
> {
>         if (unlikely(mlx5e_ipsec_txwqe_build_eseg_csum(sq, skb, eseg)))
>                 return;
>
>         if (likely(skb->ip_summed == CHECKSUM_PARTIAL)) {
>                 eseg->cs_flags = MLX5_ETH_WQE_L3_CSUM;
>                 if (skb->encapsulation) {
>                         eseg->cs_flags |= MLX5_ETH_WQE_L3_INNER_CSUM |
>                                           MLX5_ETH_WQE_L4_INNER_CSUM;
>                         sq->stats->csum_partial_inner++;
>                 } else {
>                         eseg->cs_flags |= MLX5_ETH_WQE_L4_CSUM;
>                         sq->stats->csum_partial++;
>                 }
>
> How would you generalize that into csum api that will work across NICs ?
>
> My answer stands: you cannot.
>
> My proposal again:
> add driver specifc kfuncs and hooks for things like csum.

I do see your point, but to also give you my perspective: I have no
clue what those _CSUM tx bits do (as a non-mlx employee). And what
kind of packets they support (initial patch doesn't give any info).
We can definitely expose mlx5 specific request_l4_checksum(bool encap)
which does things similar to mlx5e_txwqe_build_eseg_csum, but then,
what does it _actually_ do? It obviously can't checksum arbitrary
packet formats (because it has this inner/outer selection bit), so
there is really no way for me to provide a per-driver kfunc api. Maybe
the vendors can?

So having csum_start/csum_offset abstraction which works with fixed
offsets seems like at least it correctly sets the expectation for BPF
program writers.
The vendors are already supposed to conform to this start/offset API for skb.

But back to your point: should we maybe try to meet somewhere in the middle?
1. We try to provide "generic" offload kfuncs; for mlx5, we'll have
this mlx5e_devtx_request_l4_checksum which works for fixed offsets
2. We also let vendors do device-specific "extensions" where devices
deviate too much: bpf_request_RAW_mlx5e_l4_checksum(bool encap)
This can give BPF authors opportunity to write somewhat portable
programs and also use vendor specific apis when/if needed.

I think we had a similar idea for rx side: have generic kfuncs, but
also let vendors experiment with custom kfuncs if they want to
differentiate.
WDYT? Can it give us the best things from both sides?

> Kuba,
> since you nacked driver specific stuff please suggest a way to unblock this stalemate.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-11 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-07 19:29 [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 00/14] bpf: Netdev TX metadata Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 01/14] bpf: Rename some xdp-metadata functions into dev-bound Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 02/14] bpf: Make it easier to add new metadata kfunc Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 03/14] xsk: Support XDP_TX_METADATA_LEN Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 04/14] bpf: Implement devtx hook points Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 05/14] bpf: Implement devtx timestamp kfunc Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 06/14] net: veth: Implement devtx timestamp kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:29 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 07/14] bpf: Introduce tx checksum devtx kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 08/14] net: veth: Implement devtx tx checksum Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 09/14] net/mlx5e: Implement devtx kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-11 22:56   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-11 23:24     ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2023-07-11 23:45       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12  0:14         ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-12  2:50           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12  3:29             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-12  4:59               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12  5:36                 ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-12 15:16                   ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-07-12 16:28                     ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-07-12 19:03                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12 19:11                       ` Willem de Bruijn
2023-07-12 19:42                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12 20:09                           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-12 20:53                             ` Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-12  0:32     ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-12  2:37       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-12  3:07         ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-07-12  3:23           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 10/14] selftests/xsk: Support XDP_TX_METADATA_LEN Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 11/14] selftests/bpf: Add helper to query current netns cookie Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 12/14] selftests/bpf: Add csum helpers Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 13/14] selftests/bpf: Extend xdp_metadata with devtx kfuncs Stanislav Fomichev
2023-07-07 19:30 ` [xdp-hints] [RFC bpf-next v3 14/14] selftests/bpf: Extend xdp_hw_metadata " Stanislav Fomichev

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