From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-pl1-x62e.google.com (mail-pl1-x62e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::62e]) by mail.toke.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCEC39A831F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2022 11:15:05 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: mail.toke.dk; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=Pzz+uIBE Received: by mail-pl1-x62e.google.com with SMTP id b2so1167380plc.7 for ; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 02:15:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=v5p60joemBNwmRSG3Q1r6EW52GlBbR302YqVKam2nZs=; b=Pzz+uIBEGjFrnQm52eyWZvE3hOnDKn6oG8bYooEK6NK6tJw2+BwkhU+sNdKny/xHST orfhkvO3NgtyiLDq5rfqT4d0BcZou/lJGEztDHJC4egdgn4+O5xdEb+xRzdxnoCQ87wO XIpF+KKWtTmpvTLEBLBz4D7OyfxFBAqlnig9bZ+2CzAwUvvMzkrAYPtk0/X+7MI4fMbv +xhATh59lOQtLudRDw4ugrNH1jQg6DF/e+b94j5wQTYX5PFGrzUiux8FdszDtCmW0mil SAF32n8YSkXE30nIvS2t/1IQ0L0JLR0zFQO8dFl0sHHQ06jvmghUX3yLndW6lc5Hc2Lr xuUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=v5p60joemBNwmRSG3Q1r6EW52GlBbR302YqVKam2nZs=; b=DoeOoOspMdF9jj6l6LpBjFE2utfPMvVCupTLj9rYsjccw19rpgJlDaVm2vt7NbUPcT 0b0E0LuUiuDeFKdXSLNX06OAROPVBvbEldQxFQ10IBUZEBx0UYj8f9fVSurbgwpYmxGd x3kBgH1jujAMoJ9IdGuj10wE72fRTYGExMOQwn+4sqlgw9hcGnzZ2k/5Q/FX+HvghjCZ EjE5o43Zwe3ZHGw0cF+BT3uMOx2BC0dhnAF2d1zUgIER/4fNGOCXvuDG7AB14SoRgNSS o6RuHHGmOWN6BgJnVAUl39oUxxYwbVjfECQwjxcQC6GAb2+CQlusXETOsWKhEQCOfhc5 AEHQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3zpIxJJZXOABX+hcXQFnsmgtJc8HHevpCcbI7PVxxA2LXt0qtY BXUM3V3/TuePPPujLbEdYrB2JJV282oEUaGNv4E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7nQGi+O4jfqUexx3Jaxsz1NtFMmIAQmXrZ6rHAQbLDMuS7oGtZrFKN7eOLNlxAOUX0Ng30w0xQEIa7eKVSphM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:aa8b:b0:178:8f1d:6936 with SMTP id d11-20020a170902aa8b00b001788f1d6936mr3884386plr.168.1665047703161; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 02:15:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <166256538687.1434226.15760041133601409770.stgit@firesoul> <35fcfb25-583a-e923-6eee-e8bbcc19db17@redhat.com> <5ccff6fa-0d50-c436-b891-ab797fe7e3c4@linux.dev> <20221004175952.6e4aade7@kernel.org> <20221004182451.6804b8ca@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: From: Magnus Karlsson Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2022 11:14:52 +0200 Message-ID: To: Martin KaFai Lau Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID-Hash: HETKV75V5ZZ3ZMXXCILNG35I6MJIPL6Z X-Message-ID-Hash: HETKV75V5ZZ3ZMXXCILNG35I6MJIPL6Z X-MailFrom: magnus.karlsson@gmail.com X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header CC: Stanislav Fomichev , Jesper Dangaard Brouer , brouer@redhat.com, bpf@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org, xdp-hints@xdp-project.net, larysa.zaremba@intel.com, memxor@gmail.com, Lorenzo Bianconi , mtahhan@redhat.com, Alexei Starovoitov , Daniel Borkmann , Andrii Nakryiko , dave@dtucker.co.uk, Magnus Karlsson , bjorn@kernel.org, Jakub Kicinski X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.5 Precedence: list Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH RFCv2 bpf-next 00/18] XDP-hints: XDP gaining access to HW offload hints via BTF List-Id: XDP hardware hints design discussion Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 9:27 PM Martin KaFai Lau wrote: > > On 10/4/22 7:15 PM, Stanislav Fomichev wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 6:24 PM Jakub Kicinski wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2022 18:02:56 -0700 Stanislav Fomichev wrote: > >>> +1, sounds like a good alternative (got your reply while typing) > >>> I'm not too versed in the rx_desc/rx_queue area, but seems like worst > >>> case that bpf_xdp_get_hwtstamp can probably receive a xdp_md ctx and > >>> parse it out from the pre-populated metadata? > >> > >> I'd think so, worst case the driver can put xdp_md into a struct > >> and container_of() to get to its own stack with whatever fields > >> it needs. > > > > Ack, seems like something worth exploring then. > > > > The only issue I see with that is that we'd probably have to extend > > the loading api to pass target xdp device so we can pre-generate > > per-device bytecode for those kfuncs? > > There is an existing attr->prog_ifindex for dev offload purpose. May be we can > re-purpose/re-use some of the offload API. How this kfunc can be presented also > needs some thoughts, could be a new ndo_xxx.... not sure. > > And this potentially will block attaching the same program > > to different drivers/devices? > > Or, Martin, did you maybe have something better in mind? > > If the kfunc/helper is inline, then it will have to be per device. Unless the > bpf prog chooses not to inline which could be an option but I am also not sure > how often the user wants to 'attach' a loaded xdp prog to a different device. > To some extend, the CO-RE hints-loading-code will have to be per device also, no? > > Why I asked the kfunc/helper approach is because, from the set, it seems the > hints has already been available at the driver. The specific knowledge that the > xdp prog missing is how to get the hints from the rx_desc/rx_queue. The > straight forward way to me is to make them (rx_desc/rx_queue) available to xdp > prog and have kfunc/helper to extract the hints from them only if the xdp prog > needs it. The xdp prog can selectively get what hints it needs and then > optionally store them into the meta area in any layout. This sounds like a really good idea to me, well worth exploring. To only have to pay, performance wise, for the metadata you actually use is very important. I did some experiments [1] on the previous patch set of Jesper's and there is substantial overhead added for each metadata enabled (and fetched from the NIC). This is especially important for AF_XDP in zero-copy mode where most packets are directed to user-space (if not, you should be using the regular driver that is optimized for passing packets to the stack or redirecting to other devices). In this case, the user knows exactly what metadata it wants and where in the metadata area it should be located in order to offer the best performance for the application in question. But as you say, your suggestion could potentially offer a good performance upside to the regular XDP path too. [1] https://lore.kernel.org/bpf/CAJ8uoz1XVqVCpkKo18qbkh6jq_Lejk24OwEWCB9cWhokYLEBDQ@mail.gmail.com/ > NETIF_F_XDP_HINTS_BIT probably won't be needed and one less thing to worry in > production. > > > > >>> Btw, do we also need to think about the redirect case? What happens > >>> when I redirect one frame from a device A with one metadata format to > >>> a device B with another? > >> > >> If there is a program on Tx then it'd be trivial - just do the > >> info <-> descriptor translation in the opposite direction than Rx. > > +1 > > >> TBH I'm not sure how it'd be done in the current approach, either. > > Yeah, I think we need more selftest to show how things work. > > > > > Yeah, I don't think it magically works in any case. I'm just trying to > > understand whether it's something we care to support out of the box or > > can punt to the bpf programs themselves and say "if you care about > > forwarding metadata, somehow agree on the format yourself". > > > >> Now I questioned the BTF way and mentioned the Tx-side program in > >> a single thread, I better stop talking... > > > > Forget about btf, hail to the new king - kfunc :-D >