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From: "Toke Høiland-Jørgensen" <toke@redhat.com>
To: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Xu <dxu@dxuuu.xyz>
Cc: "Alexander Lobakin" <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	"Alexei Starovoitov" <ast@kernel.org>,
	"Daniel Borkmann" <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	"Andrii Nakryiko" <andrii@kernel.org>,
	"Larysa Zaremba" <larysa.zaremba@intel.com>,
	"Michal Swiatkowski" <michal.swiatkowski@linux.intel.com>,
	"Jesper Dangaard Brouer" <hawk@kernel.org>,
	"Björn Töpel" <bjorn@kernel.org>,
	"Magnus Karlsson" <magnus.karlsson@intel.com>,
	"Maciej Fijalkowski" <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	"Jonathan Lemon" <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>,
	"Lorenzo Bianconi" <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	"David Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	"Eric Dumazet" <edumazet@google.com>,
	"Jakub Kicinski" <kuba@kernel.org>,
	"Paolo Abeni" <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	"Jesse Brandeburg" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	"John Fastabend" <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	"Yajun Deng" <yajun.deng@linux.dev>,
	"Willem de Bruijn" <willemb@google.com>,
	"bpf@vger.kernel.org" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net
Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 32/52] bpf, cpumap: switch to GRO from netif_receive_skb_list()
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2024 16:54:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874j7oean6.fsf@toke.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e0616dcc-1007-4faf-8825-6bf536799cbf@intel.com>

Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com> writes:

> From: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>
> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 13:57:00 +0200
>
>> From: Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo.bianconi@redhat.com>
>> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 06:54:06 +0200
>> 
>>>> Hi Alexander,
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2022, at 12:47 PM, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
>>>>> cpumap has its own BH context based on kthread. It has a sane batch
>>>>> size of 8 frames per one cycle.
>>>>> GRO can be used on its own, adjust cpumap calls to the
>>>>> upper stack to use GRO API instead of netif_receive_skb_list() which
>>>>> processes skbs by batches, but doesn't involve GRO layer at all.
>>>>> It is most beneficial when a NIC which frame come from is XDP
>>>>> generic metadata-enabled, but in plenty of tests GRO performs better
>>>>> than listed receiving even given that it has to calculate full frame
>>>>> checksums on CPU.
>>>>> As GRO passes the skbs to the upper stack in the batches of
>>>>> @gro_normal_batch, i.e. 8 by default, and @skb->dev point to the
>>>>> device where the frame comes from, it is enough to disable GRO
>>>>> netdev feature on it to completely restore the original behaviour:
>>>>> untouched frames will be being bulked and passed to the upper stack
>>>>> by 8, as it was with netif_receive_skb_list().
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>  kernel/bpf/cpumap.c | 43 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
>>>>>  1 file changed, 38 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AFAICT the cpumap + GRO is a good standalone improvement. I think
>>>> cpumap is still missing this.
>> 
>> The only concern for having GRO in cpumap without metadata from the NIC
>> descriptor was that when the checksum status is missing, GRO calculates
>> the checksum on CPU, which is not really fast.
>> But I remember sometimes GRO was faster despite that.
>> 
>>>>
>>>> I have a production use case for this now. We want to do some intelligent
>>>> RX steering and I think GRO would help over list-ified receive in some cases.
>>>> We would prefer steer in HW (and thus get existing GRO support) but not all
>>>> our NICs support it. So we need a software fallback.
>>>>
>>>> Are you still interested in merging the cpumap + GRO patches?
>> 
>> For sure I can revive this part. I was planning to get back to this
>> branch and pick patches which were not related to XDP hints and send
>> them separately.
>> 
>>>
>>> Hi Daniel and Alex,
>>>
>>> Recently I worked on a PoC to add GRO support to cpumap codebase:
>>> - https://github.com/LorenzoBianconi/bpf-next/commit/a4b8264d5000ecf016da5a2dd9ac302deaf38b3e
>>>   Here I added GRO support to cpumap through gro-cells.
>>> - https://github.com/LorenzoBianconi/bpf-next/commit/da6cb32a4674aa72401c7414c9a8a0775ef41a55
>>>   Here I added GRO support to cpumap trough napi-threaded APIs (with a some
>>>   changes to them).
>> 
>> Hmm, when I was testing it, adding a whole NAPI to cpumap was sorta
>> overkill, that's why I separated GRO structure from &napi_struct.
>> 
>> Let me maybe find some free time, I would then test all 3 solutions
>> (mine, gro_cells, threaded NAPI) and pick/send the best?
>> 
>>>
>>> Please note I have not run any performance tests so far, just verified it does
>>> not crash (I was planning to resume this work soon). Please let me know if it
>>> works for you.
>
> I did tests on both threaded NAPI for cpumap and my old implementation
> with a traffic generator and I have the following (in Kpps):
>
>             direct Rx    direct GRO    cpumap    cpumap GRO
> baseline    2900         5800          2700      2700 (N/A)
> threaded                               2300      4000
> old GRO                                2300      4000
>
> IOW,
>
> 1. There are no differences in perf between Lorenzo's threaded NAPI
>    GRO implementation and my old implementation, but Lorenzo's is also
>    a very nice cleanup as it switches cpumap to threaded NAPI completely
>    and the final diffstat even removes more lines than adds, while mine
>    adds a bunch of lines and refactors a couple hundred, so I'd go with
>    his variant.
>
> 2. After switching to NAPI, the performance without GRO decreases (2.3
>    Mpps vs 2.7 Mpps), but after enabling GRO the perf increases hugely
>    (4 Mpps vs 2.7 Mpps) even though the CPU needs to compute checksums
>    manually.

One question for this: IIUC, the benefit of GRO varies with the traffic
mix, depending on how much the GRO logic can actually aggregate. So did
you test the pathological case as well (spraying packets over so many
flows that there is basically no aggregation taking place)? Just to make
sure we don't accidentally screw up performance in that case while
optimising for the aggregating case :)

-Toke


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-13 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-28 19:47 [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 00/52] bpf, xdp: introduce and use Generic Hints/metadata Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 01/52] libbpf: factor out BTF loading from load_module_btfs() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 02/52] libbpf: try to load vmlinux BTF from the kernel first Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 03/52] libbpf: add function to get the pair BTF ID + type ID for a given type Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 04/52] libbpf: patch module BTF ID into BPF insns Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 05/52] net, xdp: decouple XDP code from the core networking code Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 06/52] bpf: pass a pointer to union bpf_attr to bpf_link_ops::update_prog() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 07/52] net, xdp: remove redundant arguments from dev_xdp_{at,de}tach_link() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 08/52] net, xdp: factor out XDP install arguments to a separate structure Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 09/52] net, xdp: add ability to specify BTF ID for XDP metadata Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 10/52] net, xdp: add ability to specify frame size threshold " Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 11/52] libbpf: factor out __bpf_set_link_xdp_fd_replace() args into a struct Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 12/52] libbpf: add ability to set the BTF/type ID on setting XDP prog Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 13/52] libbpf: add ability to set the meta threshold " Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 14/52] libbpf: pass &bpf_link_create_opts directly to bpf_program__attach_fd() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 15/52] libbpf: add bpf_program__attach_xdp_opts() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 16/52] selftests/bpf: expand xdp_link to check that setting meta opts works Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 17/52] samples/bpf: pass a struct to sample_install_xdp() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 18/52] samples/bpf: add ability to specify metadata threshold Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 19/52] stddef: make __struct_group() UAPI C++-friendly Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 20/52] net, xdp: move XDP metadata helpers into new xdp_meta.h Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 21/52] net, xdp: allow metadata > 32 Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 22/52] net, skbuff: add ability to skip skb metadata comparison Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 23/52] net, skbuff: constify the @skb argument of skb_hwtstamps() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 24/52] bpf, xdp: declare generic XDP metadata structure Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 25/52] net, xdp: add basic generic metadata accessors Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 26/52] bpf, btf: add a pair of function to work with the BTF ID + type ID pair Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 27/52] net, xdp: add &sk_buff <-> &xdp_meta_generic converters Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 28/52] net, xdp: prefetch data a bit when building an skb from an &xdp_frame Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 29/52] net, xdp: try to fill skb fields when converting " Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 30/52] net, gro: decouple GRO from the NAPI layer Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 31/52] net, gro: expose some GRO API to use outside of NAPI Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 32/52] bpf, cpumap: switch to GRO from netif_receive_skb_list() Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-07 20:38   ` [xdp-hints] " Daniel Xu
2024-08-08  4:54     ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-08 11:57       ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-08 17:22         ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-08 20:52         ` Daniel Xu
2024-08-09 10:02           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-08-09 12:20           ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-09 12:45             ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-08-09 12:56               ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-09 13:42                 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-08-10  0:54                   ` Martin KaFai Lau
2024-08-10  8:02                   ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-13  1:33             ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-08-13  9:51               ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-08-10  8:00         ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-13 14:09         ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-13 14:54           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen [this message]
2024-08-13 15:57             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-08-19 14:50               ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-21  0:29                 ` Daniel Xu
2024-08-21 13:16                   ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-21 16:36                     ` Daniel Xu
2024-08-13 16:14           ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-13 16:27           ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2024-08-13 16:31             ` Alexander Lobakin
2024-08-08 20:44       ` Daniel Xu
2024-08-09  9:32         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 33/52] bpf, cpumap: add option to set a timeout for deferred flush Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 34/52] samples/bpf: add 'timeout' option to xdp_redirect_cpu Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 35/52] net, skbuff: introduce napi_skb_cache_get_bulk() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 36/52] bpf, cpumap: switch to napi_skb_cache_get_bulk() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 37/52] rcupdate: fix access helpers for incomplete struct pointers on GCC < 10 Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 38/52] net, xdp: remove unused xdp_attachment_info::flags Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:47 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 39/52] net, xdp: make &xdp_attachment_info a bit more useful in drivers Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 40/52] net, xdp: add an RCU version of xdp_attachment_setup() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 41/52] net, xdp: replace net_device::xdp_prog pointer with &xdp_attachment_info Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 42/52] net, xdp: shortcut skb->dev in bpf_prog_run_generic_xdp() Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 43/52] net, xdp: build XDP generic metadata on Generic (skb) XDP path Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 44/52] net, ice: allow XDP prog hot-swapping Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 45/52] net, ice: consolidate all skb fields processing Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 46/52] net, ice: use an onstack &xdp_meta_generic_rx to store HW frame info Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 47/52] net, ice: build XDP generic metadata Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 48/52] libbpf: compress Endianness ops with a macro Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 49/52] libbpf: add LE <--> CPU conversion helpers Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 50/52] libbpf: introduce a couple memory access helpers Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 51/52] selftests/bpf: fix using test_xdp_meta BPF prog via skeleton infra Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-28 19:48 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RFC bpf-next 52/52] selftests/bpf: add XDP Generic Hints selftest Alexander Lobakin
2022-06-29  6:15 ` [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH RFC bpf-next 00/52] bpf, xdp: introduce and use Generic Hints/metadata John Fastabend
2022-06-29 13:43   ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-07-04 15:44     ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-07-04 17:13       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-07-05 14:38         ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-07-05 19:08           ` Daniel Borkmann
2022-07-04 17:14       ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-07-05 15:41         ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-07-05 18:51           ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-07-06 13:50             ` Alexander Lobakin
2022-07-06 23:22               ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2022-07-07 11:41                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-07-12 10:33                 ` Magnus Karlsson
2022-07-12 14:14                   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2022-07-15 11:11                     ` Magnus Karlsson
2022-06-29 17:56   ` Zvi Effron
2022-06-30  7:39     ` Magnus Karlsson
2022-07-04 15:31   ` Alexander Lobakin

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