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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
Cc: brouer@redhat.com, Larysa Zaremba <larysa.zaremba@intel.com>,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@google.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Song Liu <song@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	KP Singh <kpsingh@kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
	Jesse Brandeburg <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Alexander Lobakin <alexandr.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Magnus Karlsson <magnus.karlsson@gmail.com>,
	Maryam Tahhan <mtahhan@redhat.com>,
	xdp-hints@xdp-project.net, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [xdp-hints] Re: [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 14/15] net, xdp: allow metadata > 32
Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 17:55:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <106900e6-ab94-b37f-dc9d-f0a4242bb90f@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d53f0150-d74b-7cf6-8fe7-324131b43982@intel.com>

On 5/22/23 5:28 PM, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
> From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
> Date: Mon, 22 May 2023 13:41:43 +0200
>> On 19/05/2023 18.35, Alexander Lobakin wrote:
>>> From: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <jbrouer@redhat.com>
>>> Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 17:35:27 +0200
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Not talking about your changes (in this patch).
>>
>> I'm realizing that SKBs using metadata area will have a performance hit
>> due to accessing another cacheline (the meta_len in skb_shared_info).
>>
>> IIRC Daniel complained about this performance hit (in the past), I guess
>> this explains it.  IIRC Cilium changed to use percpu variables/datastore
>> to workaround this.
> 
> Why should we compare metadata of skbs on GRO anyway? I was disabling it
> the old hints series (conditionally, if driver asks), moreover...
> ...if metadata contains full checksum, GRO will be broken completely due
> to this comparison (or any other frame-unique fields. VLAN tags and
> hashes are okay).

This is when BPF prog on XDP populates metadata with custom data when it
wants to transfer information from XDP to skb aka tc BPF prog side. percpu
data store may not work here as it is not guaranteed that skb might end up
on same CPU.

>>> The whole xdp_metalen_invalid() gets expanded into:
>>>
>>>      return (metalen % 4) || metalen > 255;
>>>
>>> at compile-time. All those typeof shenanigans are only to not open-code
>>> meta_len's type/size/max.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> But only use for SKBs that gets created from xdp with metadata, right?
>>>>
>>
>> Normal netstack processing actually access this skb_shinfo->meta_len in
>> gro_list_prepare().  As the caller dev_gro_receive() later access other
>> memory in skb_shared_info, then the GRO code path already takes this hit
>> to begin with.
> 
> You access skb_shinfo() often even before running XDP program, for
> example, when a frame is multi-buffer. Plus HW timestamps are also
> there, and so on.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-22 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-12 15:25 [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 00/15] new kfunc XDP hints and ice implementation Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 01/15] ice: make RX hash reading code more reusable Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-19 16:46   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-22 15:03     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-22 15:36       ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 02/15] ice: make RX HW timestamp " Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-19 16:52   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-22 15:07     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 03/15] ice: make RX checksum checking " Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-22 15:51   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-22 16:05     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 04/15] ice: Make ptype internal to descriptor info processing Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 05/15] ice: Introduce ice_xdp_buff Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-22 16:46   ` [xdp-hints] " Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-23  8:02     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-25 11:02       ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 06/15] ice: Support HW timestamp hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:19   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-16 16:17     ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-12 15:25 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 07/15] ice: Support RX hash XDP hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:22   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-15 13:46     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 08/15] ice: Support XDP hints in AF_XDP ZC mode Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 09/15] xdp: Add VLAN tag hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:28   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-15 15:36   ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-15 16:09     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-22  8:37       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-22 15:48         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-23 10:16           ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-23 17:35             ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 10/15] ice: Implement " Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:31   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-15 13:41     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-15 15:07       ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-15 15:45         ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 11/15] xdp: Add checksum level hint Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:34   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-15 13:49     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 12/15] ice: Implement " Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 13/15] selftests/bpf: Allow VLAN packets in xdp_hw_metadata Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:33   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev
2023-05-15 14:05     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 14/15] net, xdp: allow metadata > 32 Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-15 16:17   ` [xdp-hints] " Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-15 17:08     ` Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-16 12:37       ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-16 15:35         ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-19 16:35           ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-22 11:41             ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2023-05-22 15:28               ` Alexander Lobakin
2023-05-22 15:55                 ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2023-05-12 15:26 ` [xdp-hints] [PATCH RESEND bpf-next 15/15] selftests/bpf: Add flags and new hints to xdp_hw_metadata Larysa Zaremba
2023-05-12 18:37   ` [xdp-hints] " Stanislav Fomichev

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